ACC KAIN
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(12/14/09 1:24 AM)

The last episode of The Office is the first one in awhile that didn't anger me in some way even though Michael was being a jerk but as Bomberguy said it's easier to deal with it when he's only doing it to the people in his office and not their mothers or a room full of stockholders or school children. Though I thought the "surprise" happy ending a little too neatly resolved all the issues from earlier in the season.

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Bomberguy221
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(12/14/09 4:32 AM)

ACC KAIN wrote: Though I thought the "surprise" happy ending a little too neatly resolved all the issues from earlier in the season.

There's going to be a lot of unpleasant side effects from that surprise. If you think about it Jim's in more danger now than ever before.

It was an "easy out but things like that do happen, and the hammer falls on the higher-ups first. status onlineCrawl and 1OOO #243 [-] avatar Posts: 16195 (12/14/09 10:32 AM) Administrator * Reply * Quote * Edit * Del * More o My Recent Posts o Show/Hide User's Posts o Ban o Manage o Hide Yeah, this isn't necessarily a return to status quo. Scranton might be safe because it's the most profitable branch, but other branches might close. This might be how they could get Holly back. And while Jim's fate could be uncertain, this could be another time when Michael might get a chance at being promoted. Of the three ways in which men think that they acquire a knowledge of things--authority reasoning and experience--only the last is effective and able to bring peace to the intellect." -Roger Bacon

Crawl and 1OOO
Posts: 16195
(01/16/10 11:55 AM)

Dollhouse is so ridiculous. Everyone is a doll secretly a doll has their personality put into other dolls. One guy was turned into a doll to save his life. Another person was a doll whose imprinted identity was his own original identity. Oh and the one person who wasn't a doll had the twist that he was secretly the founder of the company that created the dolls.

Finally a technology is created that can turn anyone into a doll and it seems like the final episode will be an apocalyptic future where everyone on the entire planet is a doll.

All that isn't exactly criticism. This seems to be a show that it meant to be enjoyed ironically to see just how ridiculous it can be.

Read straight the show makes no sense at all.

Crawl and 1OOO
Posts: 16195
(01/16/10 11:53 PM)

When read straight there are at least two huge problems with the show.

One is that they want to make it seem like the dollhouse is morally ambiguous when it is nothing of the sort. It's an incredibly invasive slavery which frequently has horrible outcomes for those involved. The show has not made a case (nor indeed do I think anyone could) that anyone could be justified in being "idealistic" about the dollhouse. There are supposed to be "good" and "bad" people in the dollhouse organization and it really doesn't make any sense.

Second the end of the show is about a device that could turn anyone into a doll. It turns out that the people who are higher up in the dollhouse organization are evil (what a surprise) and want to take the british woman's (who we are supposed to believe is relatively good) dollhouse away. She buys herself back into their favor by giving them the device.

The only way this makes sense is if the writers are trying to tell us the british woman is retarded. Not only did that immediately seem to me like the stupidest possible thing someone could do it is even stupid in the show since apparently everyone in the world is turned into a doll (the inevitable outcome) and the future is a dystopia.

Logically if you have a device that can turn anyone into a doll and you have an evil boss who is about to give you the boot what do you do? You turn your evil boss into a doll! Shit! It's so obvious. And no one would ever know it's an absolutely perfect crime because you would just imprint him with his original personality minus the part where he was gonna give you the boot and any memory he had of you turning him into a doll.

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Flying Omelette
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(01/22/10 7:52 AM)

I missed 30 Rock last night because the new episode of The Office bored me so badly I strained to stay awake for it then fell asleep right after it was over. The problem is that I was expecting a new episode and it was but it was a clip show and all the clips were things I've already seen and seen recently.

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Crawl and 1OOO
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(01/23/10 11:37 AM)

Yeah it was disappointing.

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Crawl and 1OOO
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(01/26/10 9:44 PM)

Parks and Recreation: Leslie's a hoarder. :D

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Crawl and 1OOO
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(02/03/10 12:20 AM)

FO and I had fun tonight trying to figure out what was the most unrealistic scene on Lost.

My pick was when the Oceanic flight landed and people were walking up and down the aisle even as other people were talking their luggage from the overhead bin. I guess it's possible that flights that cross the pacific use much bigger planes but I've never been on a plane where something like that would be close to possible.

FO's pick was when Kate and the marshal went to the women's rest room ... and there were no other women using it!

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greybob
Posts: 1455
(02/03/10 2:11 AM)

That must have been a VERY confusing episode for someone not familiar with the show. It was confusing for me even and I've been a long time fan!

I wish they would quit trying to have cute gimmicks for the flashbacks and just tell the story straight especially in the last season where they should be devoting as much time as possible to resolving loose plot threads and explaining mysteries. This season's gimmick seems to be particularly needlessly confusing. There's now two divergent time lines! Thanks a lot time travel you broke the show. At least we learned who/what the monster is kind of sort of.

I don't think they'll be able to resolve every plot thread but I think they'll at least answer the big mysteries and if they do at least that much I'll be satisfied. Even if the answers they've come up with are complete horseshit at least it looks like they're going to try and explain dammit! That's one step up from shows that just go completely gonzo in their last seasons and forget to resolve anything at all like Twin Peaks. Although I'm not as enamored with the show in these last couple of seasons I'm still going to see this out to its conclusion. Also at least they set a deadline for themselves instead of dragging everything out for years and years with no answers (which is where Heroes is undoubtably heading if it lasts long enough.)

Also there's this dog Vincent who crashed with the survivors? My theory is that dog is the mastermind behind everything (despite the fact that there's been like 4 supremely powerful characters scheming and manipulating things on different levels...) Oh yeah I'm not kidding either. With this show it's as much a possibility as anything else. There's even evidence for my theory! Honest! In any case there's no way that dog's nothing more than a dog.

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Bomberguy221
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(02/03/10 2:35 AM)

Crawl and 1OOO wrote:FO's pick was when Kate and the marshal went to the women's rest room ... and there were no other women using it!

That happened in Monk once. A woman managed to murder another woman in an airport restroom that had only the two of them in it.

There were even less people in it at the end of the scene.

Flying Omelette
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(02/03/10 7:10 AM)

I only used the women's restroom at an airport once and it was complete chaos in there.

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Crawl and 1OOO
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(02/03/10 9:10 AM)

Actually it didn't seem that confusing at all. I wonder if it could be less confusing for me because I'm just willing to go along for the ride anyway whereas a long time fan wants to put everything into some sort of context?

Last week we watched the previous season finale with the pop up notes and it's true that when I first saw it I probably didn't get the significance of at least half the things the notes pointed out but even so it still seemed to hang together and I was able to go along with it. Like I didn't know the thing about Sawyer's name or the funeral but it was still clear that Jacob was visiting various people from the island in different time periods and at different points in their lives. So I missed the details but got the main point.

Also I had watched the pilot recently which seemed a pretty decent crash course for the time line where the plane didn't crash.* I also saw the hour long recap before the show (wow I watched too much TV last night).

I think people can understand stuff with limited information pretty well. Like I didn't start watching Arrested Development about halfway through its second season. That's a highly self-referential show. But even though there were some jokes I undoubtedly missed I still got enough at the time to enjoy it and become a fan.

One thing I was thinking even before Evil John Locke pretty much came out and said it was that it seemed like the point of the no-crash timeline was that everyone was better off by going to the island. I may have been biased into thinking that because to me the show's premise is like The Shining. As FO pointed out wouldn't it have been great to have had Jack's job in The Shining? (so long as you don't go crazy) And if I had crashed on a desert island in paradise with plenty to sustain myself I don't think I'd be in a big hurry to get back to civilization.

*Except there was one inconsistency when they recreated that! In the pilot Sawyer had short hair.

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greybob
Posts: 1455
(02/03/10 5:52 PM)

I guess that's true. Still something about that episode didn't sit right with me. Maybe because I think the show would have been better off if time travel had never been introduced.

Lost is more enjoyable if you can suspend your disbelief but I've been having a hard time doing that with the show lately. Oh well. It might grow on me again as the season goes on. I'm still excited to see how everything turns out.

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Flying Omelette
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(02/03/10 8:01 PM)

*Except there was one inconsistency when they recreated that! In the pilot Sawyer had short hair.

I heard that the alternate timeline flight had other intentional inconsistencies so that may not necessarily be a mistake.

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greybob
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(02/03/10 8:17 PM)

Oh yeah. There were entire characters missing. In one of the flashbacks Boone mentioned that he went to Australia to get his sister. His sister Shannon was one of the main survivors at the beginning of the series. But in this new timeline she's not even on the plane. I wonder if this was intentional or if they just couldn't get the actress to come back?

Michael and Walt haven't been shown either nor any of the tail-end passengers. Of course they probably can't show Walt since he was significantly younger when the show began (although they might show him anyway just to show that there's something not-quite-right with this new timeline.)

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James FP
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(02/03/10 11:14 PM)

All I can is that the season premiere had the best use of the line "I'm sorry you had to see me like that" that I've ever seen.

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Flying Omelette
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(02/03/10 11:30 PM)

I heard there were more deliberate inconsistencies than just changes to the actors that couldn't be helped because of (IRL) passage of time. Like Jack was only handed one bottle of vodka when he was originally handed two.

Like Crawl said the pop-up notes and series recap make Lost rather newbie-friendly.

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CLOUDBOND007
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(02/03/10 11:56 PM)

I'm going to wait and see if the ending of that show sucks or not and if I hear good things I'll go back and watch from the beginning.

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greybob
Posts: 1455
(02/04/10 12:31 AM)

A few other inconsistencies with the new timeline probably deliberate:

That scene where Jack is looking in the mirror at the beginning may seem pretty pointless at first but it shows him as all beaten up and unshaven. That could be related to Sawyer's hair being long. That guy who is sitting next to Jack at first but disappears halfway through the flight is Desmond. He wasn't originally on the flight that crashed; he was on the island before the Oceanic survivors got there. Spooky! Hurley says he's "the luckiest guy in the world." In the original timeline his winning the lottery caused him incredibly bad luck.

Also this is something I thought they could do but I'll have to go back and look to see if they did this: Sawyer wears glasses when he reads but he developed myopia after they had been on the island for a few weeks (when the others were setting up camp he spent all his time reading instead of helping and strained his eyes.)

So something clever they could have done was show him reading a book on the plane and have him wearing glasses. Did they do that?

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